[jonnylamarr]

Hi all I'm new to this and have noticed lately a problem that I'm not very happy with. I have a Nissan Note 1.4 07 reg. Both rear tyres wear badly on the outside, lasting only 10,000 miles. As though the toe-in is too much. Tyre garage says this is normal for Notes and Micras. This seems very poor, has anybody got any suggestions or knowledge on modifications. Help would be much appreciated. Thanks guys.

 

[shippy]

I have a 1.5dcI from new. The front tyres had to be replaced at 10,000 miles and the rear at 13,000 miles. The tyre supplier said this was about right for a Note.

 

[mnl]

The workshop manual gives a value for toe-in of 1.3 to 5.3mm.
It cannot be adjusted. If outside these specs the axle beam has to be replaced.

Seems very slapdash to me, I've never known a front wheel drive car wear the back tyres at all, in fact I usually stick the front tyres on the back when the fronts wear at about 15,000 and the back tyres are perfect, of course this is not on a Note.

I'd be inclined to measure the toe-in and stick some shims between the stub axles and the mountings to reduce it to the lower figure if it is causing a problem.

You sure it isn't the camber out?( -1.92 to -0.42 degrees) If it is too negative it will wear the inside, too positive wears the outside.

Incorrect toe tends to feather the tread with a definite edge, like smearing, camber just wears tread more on one side. Again I'd stick some shims in place.

I assume that the location rubber bushes are sound.

No doubt I have this particular joy to look forwards to (13,000 from a set of tyres? Madness

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[mdvineng]

26k on my rears and still less than half worn

 

[coolhands]

25,000 on my original rear tyres, and just about at 3mm now. Evenly worn across the width. jonnylammar: Perhaps a previous owner had put the front wheels on the back at some point in time? So there may be no issue with your car.

 

[mdvineng]

I would take it to a fully independant laser tracking specialist, there are ways of correcting it if it's out.

 

[Boysie]

I have a 2 year old Nissan Note 1.5 diesel. Tyre wear on nearside rear is bad, and has been from new. (once I noticed it)When I went for replacement tyres, there was a petrol Note with the same problem. And he was having his alignment checked at the same time.
They could not remedy the faulty alignment.

I would guess this is a more common problem than we thought.

 

[faxe]

Do you live in an area with a lot of roundabouts, that might cause this type of tyre wear. ?
Edited by: faxe

 

[Boysie]

Just the opposite.....very few roundabouts. The rear tracking seems to be out, and the outside edge on one tyre gives the characteristic wear, of 'toe-in'.

I will find out for sure, when I have all new tyres fitted this week. Lazer realignment will be carried out beforehand.

I will add, the original tyres from new, wore out really quickly all round. I had new BF Goodrich G-Grips fitted, and they have lasted nearly 3 times as long.

It's not how long the tyres last, it's the manner in which they wear down.

Edited by: Boysie

 

[mdvineng]

On the rear, the axles are fastened by 4 bolts to the stub axle mounting plate, it should be possible to place suitable shims to adjust the alignment.

 

[Boysie]

On the rear, the axles are fastened by 4 bolts to the stub axle mounting plate, it should be possible to place suitable shims to adjust the alignment.

If this is the case, then I assume this work will be carries out under warranty.?

 

[mdvineng]

That will only happen if 1) Nissan approve of shims being used 2) they agree for it to be done.


best check with a full laser re alignment specialist to see if it's possible, i use one in Liverpool and they reckon any car can be adjusted and not just left as it was when made.

 

[mnl]

The rear tracking seems to be out, and the outside edge on one tyre gives the characteristic wear, of 'toe-in'.

I would have thought that was a camber issue, associated with one wheel.
If it was tracking, I'd expect both to wear, and the car to crab slightly.

If it is any help, mine is knocking the outside edge off the near side rear tyre.

With these stupid asymmetric tread patterns, I can't just turn the tyre round to double the wear either.

If it isn't raining on Saturday, I'll get the tracking gauges out of the shed, and I'll do a bit of plumb line measuring of the camber. If one wheel is miles out I'll find it.

Then if I confirm it is off on the NSR wheel, looks like it is out with the shim washers, as the axle is a fabricated beam. The correct way would be remove and strip the beam, and use a press to bend the axle location back to spec.



Edited by: mnl

 

[SneakyElephant]

This business of uneven tyre wear seems to be more of a result of the ABD system rather than an alignment problem. Any thoughts on this?

 

[Boysie]

I'll let you all know, how I get on in the next few days when the alignment is checked.

 

[Boysie]

This business of uneven tyre wear seems to be more of a result of the ABD system rather than an alignment problem. Any thoughts on this?

I've never had to brake that hard, to find out if the ABD works.

I know it does work, whilst having to brake on ice, but that was going quite slow.

I suppose collectively, we could ascertain the problem.

Oh......I was talking about ABS, not ABD. But ABD would not effect the non driven wheels, would it.

QUOTE:On most car models, the ABD does not substitute for a real locking differential, but is a supplementary system which provides better directional stability and more traction on less-than-ideal road surfaces by applying braking power to any slipping wheel during acceleration.



Edited by: Boysie

 

[mnl]

(I had to look up ABD), logically, it would reduce tyre wear, by preventing wheelspin and reducing the torque through the tyres.

I think tread cupping is to do with ABS being activated frequently. I'm seeing an alignment problem, the whole circumference of the tyre is wearing even, at an angle, points to excessive positive camber, (wheel leans out at the top)
(This can be because of continually powering round islands, but isn't the case with me, I'm paying for the petrol and tyres).
The Note like most FWD cars, should have negative rear camber from the factory (wheel leans in at the top)

EDIT the figures for the rear are
camber -1°55' to -0°25' (-1.92° to -0.42°)
rear toe-in 1.3 - 5.3 mm (0.05 - 0.21 in)




Edited by: mnl

 

[mnl]

In1993, I bought a Nissan Terrano (that joint venture with Ford). At the first service I complained that the outside of the front tyres were disappearing, but the toe-in was to spec.
The service manager showed me a service note that said (IF THE CUSTOMER COMPLAINS) to wind the torsion bar adjuster to raise (IIRR) the front static ride height by 5mm. Due to the design of the independent suspension, this had the effect of pulling the wheel in at the top.

Anyone work for Nissan and can look for service bulletins for the Note?

Maybe worth a look at the locating bushes for the rear beam on the note, the whole beam might twist if a bush lets go.

 

[SneakyElephant]

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well what do I know...I'm just a dumb animoool

 

[Boysie]

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well what do I know...I'm just a dumb animoool

I'm just plain dumb.