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Hi guys, I've been driving the first-generation Nissan Note for nearly 7 years. First I had a 2007 SE, but for the last 4 years I've been driving (and loving) my 2012 ntec+. It's a superb car - extremely practical, reasonably comfortable and with a nice level of tech for it's day - not least a good sounding stereo.
However, the Note is beginning to get a little tired and since it's impossible to get a newer version of this model, I'm wondering what to look at as a potential replacement car in the coming 6 months. I don't like the mark 2 Note and while I did look at the Juke, I'm put off by the lack of space in the back & boot and also some horror stories I've read on the Juke owners forum about the timing chain on the 1.2 DIG-T engine; so it looks like I'm going to have to depart from Nissan.
So here's my question: what car would share similar features with my ntec+ Note: reliability, practicality (space for people and things), good tech, running costs and high enough to make it easy to get in and out of, but not so high that I need a ladder?
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I switched to a B-max and have not looked back, far superior in every way to the Note. As th eB-max was superceded by the Ecosport that may be a car worth looking at.
 

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We had a Mk 2 Note and really liked it but as the MIL aged it became very difficult for her to get into the higher seating position, not all infirmed people can cope with a MPV/SUV despite what you read.

We had a Skoda and having had good service from it decided to take a look at the Fabia Estate. It had a huge boot and its footprint is not much bigger than a Note. Best bit is the height adjustable passenger seat is standard in the spec we looked at. Booked a test drive.

The dealer cocked up because when we arrived it was a hatch he had ready for us to take for the morning and not the estate. Not happy but decided to make the best of the free petrol. But they had done us a favour. The car was plenty big enough for the wife needs and the boot took her mothers wheelchair with no problem (as well as holding a full size spare in the underfloor well). Bought the 1.0 TSi 110PS SE-L 2.5 years ago and its been great. Discounts at the time were huge, we bought via a broker and with the discount and finance contribution (paid off immediately) got £5000 off.

So if you need space and a good drive and rekliability try the Fabia. If you need more space try the estate.
 

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Thanks for your replies guys.
I really like the Ford Ecosport, but it's a no-go because of the side-opening tail gate which would be completely impractical for me. I am very interested in the Fabia, but haven't got to have a good look round one yet (what with lock-down and everything). Is it lower down than the Note in terms of getting in and out of?
I was also thinking about a Citroen C3 Aircross - anyone any thoughts on that model?
 

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Latest seat Ibiza, a seat Leon is a lot more comfy but not that affordable. She has more space then a VW Polo. Attractively priced. Not as good a drive as a a ford Fiesta but you can get people in the back! Best of the VAG autogroep. In a Skoda Fabia nobody fits in back but kids and pets. Get the Ibiza, the later versions. A ford B-max has a lot of the comfort of the Nissan note just mind greasy sliding doors. Don't buy another nissan.
 

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Latest seat Ibiza, a seat Leon is a lot more comfy but not that affordable. She has more space then a VW Polo. Attractively priced. Not as good a drive as a a ford Fiesta but you can get people in the back! Best of the VAG autogroep. In a Skoda Fabia nobody fits in back but kids and pets. Get the Ibiza, the later versions. A ford B-max has a lot of the comfort of the Nissan note just mind greasy sliding doors. Don't buy another nissan.
Our Note was very spacious in the back and in the boot for the size of car and finding a replacement for it was not easy.

We had a 2013 Leon for about 2 years at the same time as the Note and it was a great car but did not want anything quite as big for a 2nd car. Don't know how you can say they are not affordable, Ours was a great buy and huge discounts are still available.

The Nissan Pulsar looked a better buy but still to big plus it had just been discontinued and we could not locate one in our preferred spec, at the £12000 we were quoted OTR we would have overlooked the size. The new Micra looked way to expensive and was tight inside.

So after a search we concluded the Fabia estate was probably the best buy and arranged a test drive. The dealer obviously did not listen and presented us with a hatch for the test having forgotten we wanted to try the estate but it did us a favour and saved us money. It was immediately obvious it was actually surprisingly big inside and the boot was adequate, not much different to the Leon. We could get 4 adults and a dog in the car with a compact wheelchair in the boot and still space for plenty of other stuff. There is space for a full size spare under the floor, something very few cars have these days. Its actually pretty much the same size as a Golf Mk 2 and 3 which were considered family cars form the mid 80's to the late 90's.

Buying the hatch saved us £1000 and we have not regretted it. It was due to be changed early this month on our 3 year cycle but with the 110 PS currently unavailable (new model due out later this year) we have decided to keep what has proven to be the best 2nd car we have ever had when you consider the whole package.
 

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Present day Leon's are almost double the prize of ibizas. Yes and notes are spacious and were 10.000 euros cheaper then the failed pulsar. But after a while you encounter a few problems. Love to have had a Leon, but not an old clunker. I am 45 years into cars and have driven quite a few in history on and off road worldwide. Worked on them as well. Unfortunately present days cars are not for home maintenance any more.
 

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Present day Leon's are almost double the prize of ibizas.
A brand new Ibiza FR 1.0 TSi manual 110 PS can be bought today from one of the brokers I have used in the past for £15684 OTR. A Leon FR 1.0 TSi manual 110 PS (i.e. same trim and mechanical spec as the Ibiza) can be bought today from the same broker for £19845. IMHO that makes the Leon the bargain, only £4159 more (or 26.5%) for what is a bigger and possibly better equipped car (thats how it seems to work with VAG products). Its certainly no where near double the price of the Ibiza.

Yes and notes are spacious and were 10.000 euros cheaper then the failed pulsar.
We paid £12000 for the brand new Note 1.2 DIG-S Acenta Premium in 2015. In 2018 when we looked to change the Note our broker was advertising the Pulsar 1.6 DIG-T for £12000 OTR, the Pulsar was the same price as we paid for the Note 3 years earlier. Unfortunately we left it too long and all stock had been sold, that is why we bought the Fabia.

Love to have had a Leon, but not an old clunker. I am 45 years into cars and have driven quite a few in history on and off road worldwide.
Bought my first car in 1974, that's 47 years ago. Only bought new or pre-reg since 1978, had enough with old rubbish before then.
 

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How fortunate some people are.
I passed my test in 1974 and my first car (mini) cost £80. That's about all i could afford. I've had second hand cars all my life due to the mortgage and family commitments. I don't regret any of it, i enjoyed keeping the bangers going and I've never paid a garage for servicing. With Haynes manuals and a good tool kit i became reasonably competent.
These days i admit I'd have to take the Note into the local garage for diagnostics if any ECU type faults etc cropped up. Touch wood the E12 has run faultlessly for the two n half years I've owned it.
I'd guess there's a lot of other Note owners who run them through economic need rather than choice.
 

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I bought a 1995 Nissan 1.4 16v at an auction(£650). It was one of best 'clunkers' I ever owned. After 15 years, and well over 240,000 miles, the rust worm got the better of it. I looked at a 2007 Note on a car sales forecourt. So I took a trip to the main Nissan Dealership, and there was an offer of €4000 discount on trade ins. As my Sunny was still road legal for another few weeks, it qualified for the €4000 trade in. The engine still sounded like a sewing machine, when traded in.
Hence, I bought a brand new 2010 diesel Note. Even though it's had the usual issues over the last 11 years, it's one of the best I have ever owned. The Renault lump still runs as sweet as a nut, after just over 260,000km.

I would have preferred a Volvo XC40 as my next motor, but as things stand I have no idea what's going to be available when the Note pops it's clogs. Just hope it's not an all electric choice.
 

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So I took a trip to the main Nissan Dealership, and there was an offer of €4000 discount on trade ins. As my Sunny was still road legal for another few weeks, it qualified for the €4000 trade in. The engine still sounded like a sewing machine, when traded in.
Hence, I bought a brand new 2010 diesel Note. Even though it's had the usual issues over the last 11 years, it's one of the best I have ever owned. The Renault lump still runs as sweet as a nut, after just over 260,000km.

I would have preferred a Volvo XC40 as my next motor, but as things stand I have no idea what's going to be available when the Note pops it's clogs. Just hope it's not an all electric choice.
And that is exactly why I have been buying new / pre reg cars for 43 years. Look around and there are some brilliant buys around that if looked after will give years of trouble free service. The cars I stated buying in 1978 I would keep for 4 years approx and do probably 50 - 60,000 miles. They would need tyres, an exhaust (rubbish in those days) and possbly a clutch (rubbish again) but compared to the cars I had owned before and the cars mates were running the cost over 4 years was lower. Mates would be buying a 3 year old car every 2 years and over a 4 year period would be spending more than I was but could not get out of the habit.

I tried an XC40 before we bought our last car. Volvo had a 48 hour test drive offer, car delivered to and collected from our property. It was the T4 which would have been our engine of choice but with all the extras on the demo it came to over £42,000. It was also very thirsty, over those 2 days it averaged under 30 mpg. But it was very comfortable and the Auto gearbox was much better than most out there. Gave it a miss and bought a 3 week old pre - reg Skoda Superb iV we just dropped on at the right time and saved ourselves about £8000 off list. The elctric bit is great for town use and the petrol bit ensures you can travel distances without worrying about charging. Averaging about 55 mpg so far and at 5 pence per kWh it costs about 60 pence to do 30 miles in electric mode.
 

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In the late 1980's I bought a Sierra 4x4 hatchback from a Ford Dealership. Just over 6 months old, and was used as demonstrator, I can't exactly remember what I paid for it, but it was well under list price by £1000's. Ran it for 18 months, then privately sold it for £1550 more than I paid for it.
I went back to the Ford dealer that I bought the 4x4 from, bought a 10 month old 1.8 Sierra hatchback with a similar deal, and bargained more off for cash. This left me enough me enough to buy a Ford Tranny for my business start up.
 

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Problem with second hands is not that big of pre 1995 you get very far with a Haynes manual, own a few. But the more electronically equipped will tie you to your dealer and spares are very pricey. People tent to overspent investing in cars with little trade market value. Nissan parts can be very pricey. But screwdriver, spanner and hammer maintenance days are well over. Last one was my 1982 Mazda 323 hatchback. My Mitsubishi evo2 needs a specialist mechanic already,not often. Hardly or never fails. I do not own a Haynes for her, does not exist even, no need. Nissan Note gave me a taste of the "famous" Austin allegro I owned once. Alright in some respect. But bitter taste of the coal strike days with Scargill and Thatcher: no spares around at all but scrapyard. Also expensive on spares. Loved the Note when driving, not for maintenance. And she is a gas guzzler. Main problem is very lacking Nissan dealer support. Still stuck with older Nissan types.
 

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How fortunate some people are.
I passed my test in 1974 and my first car (mini) cost £80. That's about all i could afford. I've had second hand cars all my life due to the mortgage and family commitments. I don't regret any of it, i enjoyed keeping the bangers going and I've never paid a garage for servicing. With Haynes manuals and a good tool kit i became reasonably competent.
These days i admit I'd have to take the Note into the local garage for diagnostics if any ECU type faults etc cropped up. Touch wood the E12 has run faultlessly for the two n half years I've owned it.
I'd guess there's a lot of other Note owners who run them through economic need rather than choice.
How fortunate some people are.
I passed my test in 1974 and my first car (mini) cost £80. That's about all i could afford. I've had second hand cars all my life due to the mortgage and family commitments. I don't regret any of it, i enjoyed keeping the bangers going and I've never paid a garage for servicing. With Haynes manuals and a good tool kit i became reasonably competent.
These days i admit I'd have to take the Note into the local garage for diagnostics if any ECU type faults etc cropped up. Touch wood the E12 has run faultlessly for the two n half years I've owned it.
I'd guess there's a lot of other Note owners who run them through economic need rather than choice.
Yes, most owners have an economically reason to have bought her not by choice. I bought her to replace my Mitsubishi Lancer evo2 who needed some rebuilding after 20 years of service temporarily. Did that with note as a city car for wife shopping and working. Now she drives the far more spacious ,economic lancer again for 6 and many more years to come. I had a trade in offer of only 250 euros for her in 2015. Lancer evo2 are not traded in for 250 euros. Very sorry. Basically lancer was rebuilt for my eldest son to use. He is scared of the old dragster... No airbags,no airco.
 
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