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After hearing so much attack from the prosecution regarding the E12 and it's build, i thought to give an account to the jury for their consideration.
I've gone back through the forum looking for the horrendous evidence and found very little.
A few warning light issues (often a duff or low battery)
A few connect system faults (cant blame that on the E12 cos it's fitted thru the nissan range) and just other piffling faults.
No cases of "my gearbox is rattling like a bustard" or "my camshaft has blown out the rocker box"
So please can the prosecution give hard and real evidence of the E12's terrible build.
Where are all the enquiries on this forum?!
The question i raise here is aimed respectfully and i genuinely would like to know why this car is in my humble opinion under rated.
 

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When you get a good one the E12 is an excellent 'compact SUV'.


My 'prejudice' is based on.
1. The sheer number that were being returned to my local dealer to replace the Power Distribution Module (hopefully these have all failed under warranty as the component alone was over £230 plus hours of labour to fit).
2. The woeful quality of the CVT box and these are failing with as little as 30,000 on the clock. The failure renders the car a write-off (they cannot be repaired) as the replacement is £5300 plus fitting.
 

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Fair enough and thanks for the reply, (nobody should touch one with a cvt box then)...thanks to Jesus I've got a manual one.
 

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I am also pleased that you have a manual mate.


I have been driving cars with CVT boxes, on and off, since 1975 (early Dafs and the Fiat Selecta).


The CVT on the Note is by far and away the absolute worst implementation of a CVT on any car that I have driven. Harsh and noisy and prone to premature failure there is nothing about it to commend it.
 

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I know what you mean Nigel.
We had a Volvo 340 cvt.
In all honesty it was a good robust car throughout and well rust proofed.
The only snag i remember was the cvt belts needing replacement after around 80,000 miles.
Fond memories of the old volvos though... When they fitted velour seats they meant VELOUR seats.
They were as plush and deep as you could dream up!
 

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My missus had a 340GL with a CVT box.


She still remembers 'Tank' with fond affection.


A lovely, I can only agree, robust motor that swallowed everything that she and two (at the time) small kids could throw at it.
 

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Looks like Mrs B only has 20,000 miles to go on her CVT-boxed Note then, as it’s just turned 10,000, on a 16 plate. At around 5,000 a year, that’s 4 years, so for the time being, we’ll enjoy the car’s many positive features, while making sure it’s regularly checked/serviced.

May well change the car earlier than her normal 3 years though.........��

(It’s my bl**dy Volvo with a manual box that’s been the money pit over the last year!)
 

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My experience with my E12 has been mixed. In the two and half years I have had it (25,000 miles), I have had:

  • Auxiliary belt tensioner (and belts) replaced twice (it starts with a chirping that gets permanent and louder)
  • Drivers side rear wheel bearing replaced (that's a droning noise at the rear that gets louder and resonates at particular road speeds)
On the plus side:

  • All faults were fixed under warranty with no quibble
  • The car generally drives well - certainly does all I expect it to do
  • The Nissan dealer service department were excellent - very good, polite and always keeping you informed (car valeted each time it went in too)
  • I have the Nissan service plan - and this is a very good deal with breakdown cover included
 

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Discussion Starter · #9 · (Edited)
Wheel bearing failing at 25,000 miles David, hmm that's poor, i would hope the average bearing to have around 75,000 miles service life at least...(not sure what your car's overall mileage is)
Unless your bearing didn't get it's full quota of grease.
Two auxiliary belts and tensioners in 25k...ergh that's also poor, but at least that is not a 'too' expensive job to carry out.
Nonetheless the jury is still out then as regards the E12's longevity.
 

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Interesting data from 'HowManyLeft' which shows the VERY rapid decline in Note new registrations.


2011 13,000
2012 12,000
2013 12,000 (changeover year from E11 to E12)

2014 23,000 (E12 obviously popular)
2015 16,000 (declining)
2016 11,000 (rapid decline)
2017 5,400 (last year of the E12)
2018 77 (where did they find them?)
 

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That is very interesting Nigel.
Those 77, 2018 one's are mysterious lol. Perhaps they were stuck in the factory 'almost finished' when they stopped general production.
I did see an Asian motor show launch of the 2017 E12's, and it is basically the same as ours with the same dash and body but with a face lift most noticible at the front fog lights which are a smart rectangle design.
If i see a 2018 plate one on our roads I'll be looking at the fog/DRL lights just incase it was finished with the later Asian Market parts.
 

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What was the main reason for the decline in sales for the E12? Nissan decided to tart up the E11 Note, hoping it would attract the younger generation, but it was up against a barrage of competition from other manufacturers, the shape hadn't changed much from the original E11, bit more rounded, with a choice of just three engines, two petrol and one diesel, the petrol's were tuned for economy, which left the diesel, which was the best engine for the car, but again the government stepped in and started putting people off diesels. Also it was designed by the accountants.
As for pulling Renault down and blaming them, though they use CTV in their autos, they gave the Note their diesel engine, and other manufacturers still use the Renault diesel engine.
My Note had the diesel engine, I never used supermarket fuel, only the top Shell diesel, and the engine never gave any problems, but again it was the E11.
Many people call French cars, but in the past they have lead the car industry, look at the Citroen 2CV6, (think outside the box) or how about the CX and DS? Even Rolls Royce and Bentley use their suspension.
One thing you can say for the Nissan Note, it'll never be in the same league as them being a collectors car.


The thing is, we've had members who had no trouble with their Notes, I never had problems with mine and members who had the E12 with no problems, and they loved them, and wouldn't have a bad word said against them.
But at the end of the day, Nissan saw the writing on the wall and pulled the E12 after just over three years.
One of Nissans old favourites the Micra they have given that a few Viagra and now that's near on as big as the Note, but that's still selling.
 

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Micra sales are way down with over 9000 less sold in the EU in 2018 compared to 2017.


The January 2019 figures are even worse at 4982 cars EU-wide (January 2018 sales were 8604).
 

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All very true and the E12's 'tuned for economy' engines were what attracted me to the model.
My boy racing days are behind me and i looked for a petrol car that could achieve 50mpg but with enough room in the back seats for adults knees.
That isn't a common combination in models on offer even now in 2019.
Nissan dropped it, but i don't regret getting mine, it's got exactly what i need for getting me and two colleagues to and from work without that 'knees in the back' feeling which is a pet hate of mine whilst driving.
 

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Two (essential for us) features that lifted the E12 above any other car:

It is narrow enough to fit in our 89" wide 'tunnel' car port,

And it has a boot large enough to take MIL's wheelchair folded flat.

So we bought the newest, lowest mileage petrol example we could find

(Mrs B previously had a diesel Skoda Fabia Estate, but the current version had put on around 3" in girth, so was too wide)
 

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Discussion Starter · #16 · (Edited)
What mpg are you getting from your petrol E12 Baxlin?
And is it a turbo or non turbo?
Mine (non) gives a very nice 50mpg + but I do a 30 mile commute down the M5 using cruise control set at 66mph.
That's fast enough to prevent lorries from coming past me. Even on the steepish bank up past J14 southbound it doesn't need changing down with 3 adults on board.
I use my note primarily for the work commute, and we use the wife's Ford for weekend driving.
I'd be interested to know what kind of consumption other E12 drivers get.
I know the diesel will blow mine out of the water but that's ok.
 

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It’s the Dis-G supercharged 1.2 CVT auto, and used mainly for short trips around town, replacing the Skoda diesel that didn’t like the lifestyle. (My Volvo is the 'cruiser')

On its occasional longer M-way trips, the Note does early 50s, but more usually mid 30s, slightly less if Mrs B is driving!

TBH, it’s a bit disappointing, we did expect it to be better. The diesel did mid to late 40s on the same usage, but kept filling it’s DPF, and had EGR problems, so it had to go.
 

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DPF... EGR.. urghh, the bane of modern diesels. My old Astra pre DPF.. 184k - no faults,
My old Freelander 2.0 diesel 2003 (BMW engine) pre DPF did six years (sold with 108k) without a spanner other than yearly service.
Wish I'd kept the Freelander it was sweet, however it did 40mpg at best and was £140 odd road tax..I loved it though. The note does 50mpg with petrol..! and 20 quid road tax..
When i retire I'll search for a similar Freelander to run around in. They are so easy to work on especially being higher off the ground.
The front electric windows fail around 100 k but its a simple little job on a Saturday morning to replace the motor so long as you watch out for the sharp edges on the door 'cut outs'.
 

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Just sold my 2014 1.2 petrol.

Issues included:

1) Aux belt replaced at 18K (not under warranty due to being a 'wear and tear' part)
2) Anti roll bar bushes replaced at 20k under warranty.
3) Aircon re-gas is very expensive with the new spec gas (£138 independent specialist)

Niggly bits:

Offside rear door handle came loose.
Volume knob on radio intermittent fault
Interior light fitting rattle
Drivers window rattle
Nearside windscreen trim rattle
Rear seat runners mounting squeeking
Clock would not keep time accurately (No clock on RDS radio MFDU !!!!)
 

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Nice amount of niggles there Brian and we'll trust you pointed them all out to your buyer lol.
The only item on the faults list that i wouldn't like is the dodgy radio volume button.. I wouldn't tollerate that at all.
The other items i reckon I could soon sort out other than the re gas. That one is pricey, but at least would probably last for 4 or 5 years so not really tragic.
 
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