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Hello. I am near Hanger Lane, my nearest dealer is Nissan West London. I am worried about taking the car back to them for the fourth time because I am not sure how committed they actually are to finding the source of the leak or to being honest with me about what will be required to fix it. They have agreed to carry out some investigative work only under pressure from customer services who have been reasonably supportive.
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I am capable of doing diy but am getting on a bit now and am reluctant to take on a job that might end up being beyond my ability.
 

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<div abp="878">I'm not that old but I am not as agile as I was, I have pulled a few notes apart over the years its not much more than screws and clips
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<div abp="880">The centre console is easy enough, slide the seats forward and there is a screw either side in the rear, lift up and unplug the rear aux socket
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<div abp="882">Down by the handbrake pop out the little cover, at the front tug the front of the console up (2 strong clips)
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<div abp="884">Now the hard bit manoeuvre the centre console so you can get to the back of the lock switch. now you need to squeeze the lock tab to release the wiring, if you pull too hard the switch falls apart but that's no problem as isonly 3-4 parts and no springs
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<div abp="886">now for the cup holder remove the fixings - one either side (2 different types), grab hold of the front and pull, it comes out in one piece
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<div abp="890">I'm in northern Kent about a hour and a half via the m25 or 3 - 4 hours across town if that's any good to you
 

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Thanks very much for that. While you were doing the typing I removed the glove box and worked out how to remove the pollen filter unfortunately there is a heat exchanger in front of it so no access to black plastic box from inside. I will try removing the central console but before that how do you remove the trim under the dashboard in front of the gear stick.
 

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Padly said:
Hello. I am near Hanger Lane, my nearest dealer is Nissan West London. I am worried about taking the car back to them for the fourth time because I am not sure how committed they actually are to finding the source of the leak or to being honest with me about what will be required to fix it. They have agreed to carry out some investigative work only under pressure from customer services who have been reasonably supportive.
What does pixing mean?
I am capable of doing diy but am getting on a bit now and am reluctant to take on a job that might end up being beyond my ability.
Hanger Lane.is just up the road from me. Plenty of good independent garages local to us in Ealing who can and will sort this for a fraction of the cost that NLW or WLMG will charge.

Given my experience of both dealers then the comment in your original post about unnecessary work is not at all surprising. A good independent employs mechanics and fault tracers most dealers employ, basically, parts fitters.

There are also some great AC specialist companies in Acton and Brentford.
 

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My local independent have done all my mots and have never let me down. I stupidly went to Nissan because I thought the job might require specialist knowledge and tools. That was over a year ago. 3 visits to Nissan garages and £300 later and they are none the wiser.
I am going to have a look myself then probably down to my local garage on Monday.
At the moment all I am after is a possible method of seeing whether the drain hole/tube is blocked. A Haynes manual would give me some confidence but they do not do one for notes.
 

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I have a cunning plan!
Looking at the heater matrix box from the side with the glove box removed, I can see that there is a short distance between the air outlet grill inside the car and the base of the box. I could gently insert a small plastic tube down the air outlet grill that might have an unobstructed path to the bottom then suck gently to see if there is any water hanging around there. Is that crazy?
 

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I would use something to suck rather than clamp your lips around the pipe!

There could could be all kinds of bacteria infested gunk down there.

But yes, a 'cunning plan'.
 

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Very dirty but dry pollen filter ( would reduce air flow through evaporator and increase condensation collecting in base of box?)
 

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Absolutely fuming with anger and rage (must watch my BP).
This morning I took the car to my local independent within half an hour he removed the glove box and trim below the centre of the dash board. He showed me that the drain pipe above the exhaust heat sink was dry and with the AC on for half an hour I could see that water was dripping from below the evaporator. Total charge £0.00. Time taken in total 40 mins.
 

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Forgive me, but I thought that we had established this already?

It is exactly what was happening with mine (except I did see a drip on the end of the rubber pipe underneath). The problem is why is water/condensate coming out of the bottom of the heater, rather than going out of the drain tube?

If you believe the exploded diagrams several pages back, the bottom of the heater is a one piece catch tank with a drain spout somewhere on the bottom face that should meet the rubber pipe. I gave up because I'm not made of money to pay for a fix, and it looked an awful lot of work/time to dismantle everything and get the heater out.
 

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The reason I am angry is because I have twice asked Nissan dealers to specifically look at the AC and twice the have come back saying there was nothing wrong. I have already given them £300 of my hard earned cash.
Four thoughts
1. Is it possible that they have been told not to deal with this problem because of fear of a recall?
2. Why is it possible for me to put my hand under what I think is the metal casing of the evaporator?
3. Surely there should be a tray in place to collect the drips and direct them to the drain.
4. Is it possible that during the assembly a part was missed out?
 

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Padly said:
Four thoughts
1. Is it possible that they have been told not to deal with this problem because of fear of a recall?
2. Why is it possible for me to put my hand under what I think is the metal casing of the evaporator?
3. Surely there should be a tray in place to collect the drips and direct them to the drain.
4. Is it possible that during the assembly a part was missed out?
1: unlikely, manufacturers only recall for safety (from fear of being sued for millions), or if they think there will be a lot of expensive warranty claims, if the item will get through warranty and won't kill you there is no chance.

2: you shouldn't be able to feel the core from the outside, it would surely leak air like a hurricane if the core were exposed. I can touch the metal heater side tank and burn my fingers on mine.

3: That is what we are both thinking, it must be part 21 on the diagram on page 1.

4: Very likely. I have a big downer on Sunderland build quality- they couldn't even get the back wheels to point forwards on mine. However, I would expect the heater to not locate without that tray. It might not actually have a drain hole in it (or in the right place), or it might be cracked though.


Good luck with it, I simply removed the passenger mat, and put a couple of bags of silica gel and a wad of cloth alongside the transmission tunnel to absorb the drips. I've had the heater out of a car before- literally the whole car has to come apart, and I really couldn't face that.
 

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Bloody frustrating isn't it. I have put these points to Nissan customer service. I am not really expecting an admission of guilt but I am interested in their response. The car goes back to the local independent tomorrow for an estimate. Not expecting much change from £600. Will request the removal of a key fuse to disable the refrigerant side of things and no more AC in summer. All just very very frustrating.
 

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I had that stinking water problem last year.......wet mats etc.

My simple fix, was not to turn the Aircon on. It's fine now.


I've managed without aircon for almost 40 years of driving.....so I won't miss it one bit. It's a shame this great little car is slowly falling apart, as I really like the little blighter.
The main dealer has 3 years left........of my threat to drive it through the showroom window, if it stops completely, and is beyond repair.
He thought I was joking....but I didn't laugh along with him, so they got the message.


My last Nissan lasted 16 years of abuse, the only think that broke on it was a starter motor bearing. This will be my last Nissan,or a brand new car.
 

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As I posted in another forum-

Nissan built their reputation on the k11 micra and N15 (made in Japan) & early N16 almera.

These are just finally wearing out now, and owners sticking to Nissan are getting a nasty shock!

Worse, from reading the forums I think pretty much all modern cars (even Toyota and Subaru) are built right down to a price now, and are only "just good enough" to get through the warranty period, so I don't know what to replace the Note with- except the VIN number will start with a J....
 

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Boysie said:
I've managed without aircon for almost 40 years of driving.....

I did too, but in The Olden Days I sat right next to the windscreen and could quickly squeegee it off, or wipe with a chamois, now I can't even reach the bit in front of my face.

Do you remember in the 1960s when we used to drive in a completely misted up car from October to April, and we used to stick that plastic porthole (like those stick on motorcycle visors that don't work either) on the back window?

I thought it was luxury in the 1980s when I got an electric passenger window so I could wind it down to see left at junctions
 

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Boysie said:
I've managed without aircon for almost 40 years of driving.....

I did too, but in The Olden Days I sat right next to the windscreen and could quickly squeegee it off, or wipe with a chamois, now I can't even reach the bit in front of my face.

Do you remember in the 1960s when we used to drive in a completely misted up car from October to April, and we used to stick that plastic porthole (like those stick on motorcycle visors that don't work either) on the back window?

I thought it was luxury in the 1980s when I got an electric passenger window so I could wind it down to see left at junctions

Oh trust me...been there many times. I was driving a S2 Landy for 3 years in Ireland.......and you know what the heater/demister was like. Eeerr....it never really had one, did it.


Driving gloves were for Polar explorers, jacket from the same chap......OH....and the extra large bobble hat.
........those were the days.
 

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I've driven my beetle in winter with no demister function whatsoever. Did about 300 miles one day a couple januarys ago with just quarterlights and a demisting scarf.

The Morris Minor's demister fan is like an asthmatic blowing through a straw, but it actually works quite well and keeps you warm enough.

I'd never have a daily driver without A/C though. Too nice!
 

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Ok I am much closer to finding out how to fix the problem though I will leave it to my local garage to do the work.
The exploded diagram was helpful but nothing to do with part 21 which is the lowest point of the ducting but not where the condensate collects. There is a separate black plastic box directly under the evaporator but further back towards the bulkhead. It is higher up than part 21 and it is here on the drivers side that the condensate drains out into the tube that exits above the exhaunt heat-shield. There is a rubber grommet which the pipe goes through then up into the black plastic box. This is where the leak is coming from. Once the drivers side carpet is removed or peeled back it should be possible to get to and fix (I hope)
 

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Good, it sounds as though Nigel B was spot on, back on page 1

Nigel B said:
What happened with mine was that the drain hose (- a bit
of cheap plastic hose tight against the bulkhead on the driver's side of
the centre console) was disconnected from the drain outlet (it's a push
fit).

What threw me was the water comes out on the top of the carpet on the passenger side in mine, as does yours. I assumed that the bit of rubber tube visible above the exhaust heat shield was bent somehow above the shield and came from the passenger side originally, and that Nigel had a different aircon..

Keep us informed, if I ever get the urge to resurrect the aircon I might have a look on the drivers side. (I have a new expansion valve here, it may be possible to fit it when I dismantle half the engine to change the plugs some day..)
 
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